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Questionable Pokémon Ensemble Darkhorse Removal Videogame
So, on EnsembleDarkhorse.Pokemon, ronis~ removed Tinkaton because, to directly quote the edit reason, "Much like Palafin, Tinkaton's more of a Base-Breaking Character than a full-on Darkhorse." This is literally the first time I have heard about her being base breaking in my life. Tinkaton is arguably one of Pokémon's biggest darkhorses, to the point that it's starting to approach Breakout Character given that it has achieved merch much quicker than it would have otherwise as an unannounced-prior-to-release random Fairy/Steel type. There is an entire article about Tinkaton on The Other Wiki that mostly exists to point out the unexpected popularity of the species. The closest thing to "base breaking" about Tinkaton that I have heard is criticism of her low Attack stat, which I wouldn't call a disqualifier. Permission to restore?
Removing a re-added MemeticLoser entry
I’ve already brought this to the ‘Memetic X Cleanup’ thread, but since that thread hasn’t seen much use in the past month, I’ve decided to also bring this here in the hopes that this can get resolved quicker.
Yesterday I found this Memetic Loser entry on the YMMV Mortal Kombat 1 page:
- Kotal continues this trend too. His sole mention in the game's story mode is a line where he lost to Raiden offscreen.
I had previously removed this entry as, while he may have been a Memetic Loser in the previous game, not only was Kotal not the only character Raiden defeated offscreen (two other characters, Sheeva and Motaro, were also listed among those that Raiden had defeated offscreen and even then it’s stated that Raiden had also defeated many others besides them, those three were just the only ones to get name-dropped) but the fanbase itself has not singled out Kotal’s loss specifically, in fact this throwaway line has barely even been talked about by the fanbase at all thus far.
However I saw that someone has recently re-added and reworded the entry without an edit reason. As the person who removed it initially, I obviously think that the entry should be removed again for the reasons that I’ve described, especially since no reason was given for adding it back.
Edited by CorvusIXIndentation-based edit war
On Call of the Wild Blue Yonder, Joysweeper had turned part of the Animorphs paragraph into a sub-bullet entry; since it was the only such entry related to the work, I reverted the edit and sent them an Indentation notifier.
Now they added back the improper indentation, with the only difference being that they expanded the preliminary part of the entry. They seem to believe that having a series-wide example and then a character-specific one justifies having the latter one as a lone sub-bullet example, which the indentation policy prohibits. Unfortunatley, I cannot revert the edit once again because I'd be edit-warring. I need permission to do the edit (also, I won't send them a notifier this time, because they didn't heed the advice last time).
How to add numbers and special characters to a page's title (but not the URL)?
Hello there. I'm hoping someone can answer my question, but moreso that I can articulate my question clearly.
Basically, I want to create a Let's Play page for Youtuber 8-BitRyan. I have gone through his entire Youtube playlist to figure out which games he's played and which ones have their own Tropes page, and I can add to the tropes that apply to Ryan's channel as I go. The problem I have is that I have to create the page as "EightBitRyan" since I can't have numbers in the URL...which is understandable.
However, what I'd like to know is how to title the page as "8-BitRyan" instead of "Eight Bit Ryan". I've seen a few trope pages over the years where the URL has the numbers typed out and special characters omitted, but the title of the page itself includes them. I'd like to know how to achieve this before I start creating the page.
Edited by danunplannedWar Hawk Title Collision
The War Hawk trope is two words, but the page title makes it look like one word. This is because it shares title space with VideoGame.Warhawk. Should we rename the video game's page?
Would this count as an EditWar? Web Original
On Sep 5th 2021, I removed the Trope Informed Wrongness from the YMMV page of the fifth episode of Helluva Boss, due to said entry being Trope Misuse as a result of misconstruing the events of the episode.
On Dec 30th 2022, jOSEFdelaville added Informed Wrongness to the page again, but with a different entry. I believe this is also an example of misuse that misconstrues the events of the episode, as Millie wasn't the one who brought up the fact Moxxie had a gun, Moxxie himself did. Millie only said he didn't need to prove he was stronger physically after he lamented not being strong enough, saying basically to stick to his strengths when facing him this time. Moxxie was the one who said "I probably should have used this earlier, huh?" after remembering he had a gun on him, Millie's reaction being more exasperation when she sees him remember and make the comment. "I love ya hon, but for fucks sake."
Would it count as an Edit War if I removed the trope since I had already removed Informed Wrongness once before, even if it was a different entry?
Edited by RebelFalcon"Nightmare of Druaga" work page misnamed? Videogame
I noticed that the work page "Nightmare of Druaga" shows the English cover as "The Nightmare of Druaga". Should all the related pages be moved to the correct name?
How to refer to Characters who use Last Name Basis in Work pages
So for a lot of shows, characters are referred to by a Last-Name Basis. However, other characters in the same show may be referred to by their first names on the regular. From what I understand, we should refer to characters by whatever they're most called in-story. But wouldn't a mix of last name basis and first name basis characters be confusing?
For instance, in Kill Blue, the protagonist Juzo Ogami is referred to almost exclusively by his surname, Ogami. However, another member of the cast, Tenma Tendo, is referred to almost exclusively by his first name.
Gushing edit revert in an article Videogame
Recently, I cleaned up gushing in multiple articles discussed in this thread. One of them, VideoGame.Street Fighter II, was reverted by an editor who added back the gushing and claimed "no agreement was ever reached" although I cited the thread in edit reason. I sent a DM pointing to the thread a week ago but there's no response. What's the next option?
Possible agenda-based edit Videogame
This morning Tropers.Chucknorris 40 reworded a Memetic Mutation entry on YMMV.Starfield from this:
- "FUCKIN' PRONOUNS! FUCKIN' GENDER AMBIGUITY! FUCKIN' CURRENT DAY CALIFORNIAN SHIT!" Explanation A line from a now-infamous video of Youtuber "Heels Vs Babyface" throwing a tantrum about the gender options in the start of the game.
to this:
- "FUCKIN' PRONOUNS! FUCKIN' GENDER AMBIGUITY! FUCKIN' CURRENT DAY CALIFORNIAN SHIT!" Explanation A line from a now-viral video of Youtuber "Heels Vs Babyface" ranting about the preferred pronoun options in the start of the game.
with the following edit reason:
The edit reason raised my eyebrow since I've seen the video in question and reactions to it from both sides of the political spectrum, and while I can understand that the original phrasing may not have been the most neutral, I don't think "tantrum" is by any means a controversial or subjective assessment of it — even the people I've seen sympathize with points that were raised in the rant have mostly expressed secondhand embarrassment at how explosively, childishly over-the-top it was.
Again, avoiding potentially inflammatory language I understand, but this feels almost like an attempt to sanitize our description of the rant to make its talking points sound more reasoned and valid. That said, Chucknorris 40 has a pretty short and sporadic edit history, so it's hard for me to say if there's any pattern or precedent here — this could be an innocent one-off thing.
Edited by Dirtyblue929Discussing if Trivia/YMMV where?
I had some thoughts about if these tropes should be YMMV or Trivia instead.
- Grandfather Clause: YMMV because it's about audiences accepting X as too fundamental to the original to change, The Artifact being the narrative retaining such dated stuff. (Man of Steel showed nothing’s objectively stopping works from changing Grandfather Clause aspects save fan backlash.)
- Dead Fic and Orphaned Series: Trivia as it's about the works production as opposed to in-story.
Where is/is there a place to discuss making items Trivia/YMMV or not? And am I right in assuming such a change needs TRS?
Question regarding transparent character images.
So I have a question to ask regarding transparent images/ I know we ideally like to have transparent images of characters (and I agree). But if there is official art of characters that has no official transparent art, but has been unofficially made transparent by someone else (For example, I know there are plenty of images on Deviant Art that are essentially official artwork but have been made transparent). Are those okay to use? Or does it fall under the same permission/do not use quota as using Fanart or unofficial posters since they are unofficially modified?
Edited by Tylerbear12Tough Act To Follow clarification Film
Does this trope apply only to situations where the previous work was a smashing success, or can it be a tough act to follow due to how disastrous the previous installment was, making people turned off from the sole idea of a sequel? I know YMMV tropes can't be played with, further complicating matters (since it can't be listed as an inversion)
"Stage Directions" When Quoting Text
When quoting a text work, is it acceptable to use the Bolded Name: + [bracketed actions] format when quoting text if it'd be cleaner or clearer than quoting the text in full? Or is it better to just leave the would-be bracketed part out altogether?
E.g., in the middle of a conversation:
The second one feels weird because "there" doesn't have a referent. It just feels incomplete. In some cases, it may also make it unclear that Bob is pointing towards Charlie. (The rules are, however, plenty clear that this is the correct format when you're solely quoting dialogue.)
The third one solves both of these problems, plus a third one: if including all the narration would be unnecessary, it lets you only mention the important parts (such as, potentially, just that he was pointing behind himself or just that he was pointing at Charlie). The (possible) problem that it's using a format that the rules imply is for visual media.
Edited by KestrelguyRewriting Walkthrough Mode Page Videogame
Here's the summary of Walkthrough Mode:
For example, let's say Alice adds the Puppy Stomper 3000 to That One Boss. Bob follows this up by stating, "Actually, the Puppy Stomper isn't tough if you have the Ring of Puppy Protection, which only requires you to do X, Y and Z." Then Clara comes by and adds, "To be fair, you need Sven in your party to use the Ring of Puppy Protection. It's easier to use the Stick of Puppy Protection, which only requires you to bring the Ring of Puppy Protection to the Ring Transumation Fairy in Scary Town."
Using the example from the above paragraph, here's what it looks like on a page.
- That One Boss: Puppy Stomper 3000 is hard because of blah blah.
- Actually, the Puppy Stomper isn't tough if you have the Ring of Puppy Protection, which only requires you to do X, Y and Z.
- To be fair, you need Sven in your party to use the Ring of Puppy Protection. It's easier to use the Stick of Puppy Protection, which only requires you to bring the Ring of Puppy Protection to the Ring Transumation Fairy in Scary Town.
- Actually, the Puppy Stomper isn't tough if you have the Ring of Puppy Protection, which only requires you to do X, Y and Z.
The first two paragraphs basically describe a videogame mechanics-themed version of Thread Mode, which... editors shouldn't do either, but if all the page has to say is "don't thread mode about game mechanics", it probably doesn't need to exist — just point to Thread Mode instead.
To my understanding, what Walkthrough Mode should tell readers is that they should avoid cluttering examples with numbers, niche mechanics, and long-winded guides that are only tangentially relevant to how there is an example of a trope — this is suggested to me by that last paragraph. Here's a version I think could work, which emphasizes that:
For example, let's say Alice lists the Puppy Stompertron as an example of That One Boss, engaging in Walkthrough Mode to do so:
- That One Boss: The Puppy Stompertron appears at the end of the Puppy Factory and presents a massive roadblock to the player. It's got a massive 70,000 HP health bar (by the end of the factory, you'll be dealing 300 DPS at best), has immunity to Bleed, Stun, Dizzy, Confuse, and Love, and all of its attacks are That One Attack. Puppy Squishing deals 10,000 damage and can only be survived with the Anti-Ten Thousand Medal from the Numbers Swamp, Puppy Flamethrowing is supposed to deal only 40 damage to the player once but a bug with the level geometry can cause the flames to deal 400 damage if the player's standing on the many hills around the arena, and the Dog Food Ingester will heal it back to full unless the player has done the sidequest to obtain Dog Food Poison, which is easily missable at the start of the game. The only thing that can make this easy is the Puppy Stompertron Control Device to cut its HP in half, which is only available to builds that use the Dagger of Air Vent Entry, a 37 Charisma build to take it from the Puppy Factory Foreman (you can't go with any other level of Charisma, he starts liking you too much if you do), or a glitched maximum Speed character to clip through the northeast locked door and access the room where it's stored.
As you can see, this entry is hard to read because it's loaded with tangents on whole-game strategies and numbers that mean nothing to an outsider, when all that's needed is to explain how the Puppy Stompertron boss is harder than the rest of the game. Let's see an example that does just that:
- That One Boss: The Puppy Stompertron appears at the end of the Puppy Factory and presents a massive roadblock to the player. It has massive HP for that point at the game, immunity to many of the useful status effects, and all of its attacks are That One Attack — dealing massive damage or healing itself to full. The only ways to get past it painlessly involve highly-specific strategies and/or exploiting glitches, neither of which are available to every character class.
This entry is much more succinct in stating why the Puppy Stompertron is an example of That One Boss: it has high stats, immunity to statuses, powerful attacks, and the mechanics to make it easier aren't universally applicable. By cutting out details, the example becomes easier to read and digestible, yet the non-Walkthrough Mode entry still manages to communicate key points on why the Puppy Stompertron is this trope.
As a side bonus, when talking about games that are receiving post-launch updates, avoiding exact numbers gives a degree of futureproofing. In many games, if a change needs to be made, the numbers are usually first to be adjusted, so if the Puppy Stompertron ever has its HP or damage values changed this way, the example doesn't suddenly need an update to correct those parts.
While it is understandable why Walkthrough Mode happens, wiki articles are not walkthroughs for how to beat That One Boss or That One Level. Trope examples should be generic enough that those who aren't familiar with the game can understand them, and shouldn't be cluttered with something like the exact attack strength of a weapon or helpful asides about which two of the three Superbosses can be affected by the Game-Breaker. This isn't to say that you shouldn't list your example with little to no information, which is the opposite problem; you just need to explain why your example is that of the trope in question in a way that's digestible to the average reader.
See also Word Cruft, another writing element that makes examples bloated and indigestible by adding too many unnecessary words.
Does this look good to use on the page?
Edited by PyhrrousI Launched a Trope and Messed Up
I recently launched my proposed trope Villainous Medical Care. Unfortunately, I forgot to remove something from the title and now it's Launching On 923 Villainous Medical Care. Is there a way for me to change the title? Or do I need to start the process all over again?
Question about Newly-Created Account
On Sep 21st 2023 at 1:27:14 PM, Poppy Poyo made their first edit by removing this an entry involving MarinaVT citing that there was no proof.
There was proof of her harassment, and there has been proof of her confirming to harass people for merely playing Hogwarts Legacy. Initially, I decided to keep this private, but after some thinking, I decided it would be better to make this public.
Edited by Siegfried1337Creator/Iilluminaughtii: should this page even be here?
I'm going to put aside the controversy surrounding this YouTuber except to say the page was created after the controversy started.
Is her work even tropeable? I mean, she just does videos about multi-level marketing and corrupt corporations. There's not really a narrative or a story. And even then, most of the tropes listed are related to the drama surrounding her personal life.
I'm inclined to cutlist the page, but I don't want to jump the gun.
Edited by SpectracusQuestion on cutlisting plagarised page
Recently, I ran across Recap.Lock Stock And Two Smoking Barrels, which was created by an editor who was suspended for large scale plagiarism and subsequently perma-banned for ban evasion several years ago. This article is one of many they copy/pasted wholesale from Wikipedia (it's only been edited once since then, with very minor tweaks to the wording).
However, the Wikipedia plot summary for the film has been heavily re-written in the four years since the Recap/ page was plagiarised from it. Should the page still be cut for consisting almost entirely of plagiarised content?
Is Majora's Mask Low Fantasy Videogame
So Majora’s Mask is listed as Low Fantasy, but as a huge Majora’s Mask fan myself, I really think it doesn’t in any way fis Low Fantasy. I’m sure it was deleted in the past, but it looks like it was added back.
The entry claims Magic is less present than other Zelda games and that the plot of Majora's mask is more grounded with realistic things.
To list how magic is ‘’extremely’’ prominent as well as how the plot and the setting are not realistic.
And I can’t find it at this moment, but in an interview, with one of the game’s writers, possibly Aonuma, he stated he added in whimsical and dream like elements into the game to offset another writer when he added scary stuff.
Make no mistake, I love Majora’s Mask, but it doesn’t seem to fit the trope at all.
Even in the Zelda series, I feel The Legend Of Zelda 1 is more Low Fantasy, though I don’t think it fits the trope either.
Edited by Monsund